tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568871715043627819.post8173889218079265030..comments2023-03-26T00:04:23.628-07:00Comments on Zerohour's Nameless Blog: A Tribute to StreamingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568871715043627819.post-79528891354822719222013-02-01T19:39:51.265-08:002013-02-01T19:39:51.265-08:00Thanks for your reply Jessica. I'll be honest...Thanks for your reply Jessica. I'll be honest, you shouldn't name streamers without their coming here first and defending their actions and expressly stating that this describes their streams, because you point the finger at someone who may not be necessarily the people I'm describing. That's highly unfair to Elvine, and he's been thinking I'm targeting him with this but to be fair, he hasn't read the article nor what it's about nor rebutted any part of it so how can you be sure it's entirely him? Therefore you're casting prejudgement on him. I would moderate the comment but I'll choose not to this time since I want others to understand it's not him I'm explicitly describing. Thanks however.<br /><br />I will say it describes a lot of people in their audience. I don't bother with gold streams, I watch others. Given what gold streamers normally talk about, the methods they describe are highly inefficient and beyond the scope of the gold making philosophy I personally espouse.<br /><br />I remember when I was thrilled to see 10k in a day the first time, and it took me lots of trial and error. This was before blogs, before tips were freely shared, and a long time ago. If you want to make more, however, you really should move on to more advanced techniques because you sound like you're ready. Congrats on your efforts!Zerohourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07585688741521855038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568871715043627819.post-49198954977483349412013-02-01T15:13:10.710-08:002013-02-01T15:13:10.710-08:00Sure you can do both! I think Zerohour even watch...Sure you can do both! I think Zerohour even watches some streams himself. There's no substitute for getting your hands dirty, though, and figuring out things for yourself. <br /><br />All of us started hand-to-mouth in goldmaking, but the goal is to learn how the sausage really gets made. Streaming hasn't been a good format for that.<br /><br />As for Elvine, he seems to be a bit isolated, and while I don't agree with all his advice, that's not surprising. I don't agree with all of Zerohour's advice, either. That's fine - ZH and I realize neither of us has all the answers - and in our discussions, we often come up with a better answer than either of us could have given on our own.<br /><br />But, that may be the advantage of being isolated - people don't have to sift through different opinions. My opinion on that, though, is to be good at this really takes being able to sort through things on your own while incorporating the ideas of others.<br /><br />The best ideas in goldmaking have been borne of critical discussion. I guess I can kind of see how that may be seen as drama, but I think you'd find that the overwhelming majority of it is helpful.<br /><br />But trust me when I tell you that Zerohour doesn't mind how other people end up making their gold. If he did, he wouldn't get along with any of the other guys at The Consortium, because we all do it differently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568871715043627819.post-40544645679384994592013-02-01T14:26:26.508-08:002013-02-01T14:26:26.508-08:00I would like to disagree with this post in its maj...I would like to disagree with this post in its majority. First of all, I believe that being able to stream is up to the caster as to who and what he wants to stream, it's a free country after all. Second of all, I personally find it highly offensive that I'm to be considered a person with "No brains" because I have " Watched streams instead of reading." Obviously people can't do both, that's just crazy talk!<br />I have been an avid streamer of Elvine's, who let's be honest, is the one of the key people this post is about. Not only has he been extremely helpful, he's also not handed me my money. He has not held my hand and spoon fed me my information. He has however directed me to articles, price-lists and shown me videos on how to setup addons. But at the end of the day, I did the reading, I put in the time to figure out and ask why he does what he does. I have spent months working for my in game money, and I don't make millions a week, I am elated if I make 10k a day. So, as far as I can tell, this post is nothing more than a chance to create drama, and an attack on people who are trying to make gold, but not in the way you see fit. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11248405359007455919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568871715043627819.post-69227776650907880472013-02-01T08:21:14.506-08:002013-02-01T08:21:14.506-08:00Thanks for the discourse, Xsin, but like I mention...Thanks for the discourse, Xsin, but like I mentioned entertainment value is a decent reason to watch. I know I enjoy watching PvP or raid streams, but those are completely out of the scope of the article. It's a two way street, people running them are treating it as a marketing effort for their sites and to drum up money, while the audience is watching bubblegum for the eyes. This is not just a criticism of those that host, but those that watch these types of streams. One could ask both become part of the community as a whole rather than sit on the fringe where you're gaining very little.Zerohourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07585688741521855038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568871715043627819.post-9724793282365286312013-02-01T05:34:05.245-08:002013-02-01T05:34:05.245-08:00I've watched a few stream before (not mentioni...I've watched a few stream before (not mentioning names to avoid drama). The problem with the chatbox was that the streamers were egocentric and triggerhappy on the banhammer when someone talked about something that was not them, our when mentioning content that they didn't post or mention. It gets even worse when you disagree with in the chatbox when the streamer gives advice to a noob.<br /><br />Regular IRC channels are way more fun when I want to chat as they are more of a community.Mithrildarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09836293307633685853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568871715043627819.post-33846346236086984582013-01-31T22:24:26.189-08:002013-01-31T22:24:26.189-08:00I've watched/listened to streams as background...I've watched/listened to streams as background noise and to talk to people (the streamer typically, but the chat can be fun as well).<br /><br />To be fair most of the questions they get are the "stupid questions" but you get those on any medium, these particular viewers might just learn better on the streams (though I imagine short video tutorials would be way more effective). <br /><br />Some people just like streams, like I said I've never really found the fun of them except as a chat room.Xsinthishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07108035272127828210noreply@blogger.com