Monday, April 1, 2013

It's Their Community, Not The Community

This last week Twitter users got to see a battle royale, and frankly I stayed out of it even though it was right up my alley.  Instead I chose to take it to my blog, where I can have my say in more than 140 characters, because god knows I need more than 14000.

Cold and Rez took off on it on their podcast, and they nailed it.  The discussion is at exactly 1 hour in.

So without further ado, and more fuel for people to find a reason to hate me...

What Irks Me

Consider me irked.

The following question makes me wince whenever it gets asked:  What difference does it make to you what some other person is doing?  Frankly, it makes a lot of difference.  People mind too much of their own business today while allowing bad public behavior to surround them and passively allow themselves to be influenced by that group.  Doing nothing, or saying nothing, is tantamount to agreeing with the behavior.  Sure people will disagree with you for saying something, but I'm not writing this blog to attract anyone, in fact I started it on a dare.  Point being, stand up for what you believe in and to hell with the consequences.  You won't please everyone with your opinions.

Imagine if you're a new player, or an existing player wanting to know more.  You go to Google or Bing, and query "How to make gold in warcraft".  You're hit immediately with paid for guides, some websites, and other SEO positioned sites out there.  Worse, you end up getting pitched ads for gold buying.  So the people go visit these sites, and after about 30 minutes of trying to get a straight answer they end up buying some lame guide or being talked into buying something, or they just flat out buy the gold.  Now, someone like me has an ad-free blog dedicated to the finer and higher points of making gold, and I have nothing to sell, except for the occasional "why the following people are all D-Bags" rants where I attempt to convince you to STOP paying attention to these people. Before long, this new guy/gal is going to be completely turned off because they start seeing "insert credit card here" signs everywhere, and realize that this entire "community" is loaded with hustling assholes.  As a member of the upper echelon in the gold grind, I want to be known as an asshole for other reasons, not that I'm just another jerk out to hock a book or sell gold.

Meanwhile, they attempt to mask themselves as a fine and upstanding member of "the community".  Even more amusing, they reference "the community" all the time, mostly when they're trying to curry some favor.  These people aren't community members, they're on par with cult leaders, dirty politicians, and snake oil salesmen who will come to you as your friend, and then ask for money.  Or to sign up for something.  Or to sell some soap for them so they don't have to work for a living and can sit at the house watching shows.  Or convince you to send them to Blizzcon, sign up for their sites to get more information, buy a guide, or tell all your friends to watch their streams via social media contact managers.  It's "Their" community, not ours.

Here we go with my list - Why these sites are so wrong
* It gives all of us a bad reputation that attempt to help those trying to find their way
* People who run these sites are in it purely for the money, and not the love of the passtime.  Money isn't bad, but it is very corrupting.
* It's an online demonstration of a waste of valuable resources (cash, time)
* They copy from the larger sites, and then they present the information as their own, even in reworded format
* The people who follow them are enablers of bad behavior because they give them money and feed the problem
* They are cult like and creepy, almost like a televangelist putting on a TV show where you phone in your pledge to send them and their mistress on his new yacht to the Bahamas
* They are generally dedicated to the financial efforts of one individual and not the collective
* They tend to engage in shunning or censorship, placing themselves on a pedestal as the better person and disparaging the community that doesn't subscribe or agree with them
* Eventually they will abuse their community, soliciting them for more "donations" or purchases for personal gain, or organized fund raisers for personal gain

My desire is to protect the vulnerable, weak and uninformed from these predators, and ultimately to see them run straight out of the legitimate gold making community on a rail.  These people are NOT a part of the community, they are Gold Bleggars owning and operating their community.

Everytime I open random blogs anymore, or hear about streams, I feel like I'm seeing a guy on the corner with a sign.  A sign not unlike....

You can laugh at my handwriting now.

What's a Bleggar?  Well it's not a term I came up with, although I did Google it before proclaiming superman status.  Basically, it's any blog formed to beg for money through "donations", and the term has been around for years.  Gold Bleggars... I'm gonna see if this passes muster so let's coin it now.  Of all the different types of blogs out there, it's far more prevalent in the WoW "community" than any other.

If you're running a blog, you do it for fun or a hobby.  You get the opportunity to add in AdSense, which will pay you a few coins a week to display ads.  Now, Daily Puppy, that's all me, and to date I think I'm the only gold related blog with pictures of cute puppies on a daily basis, but that's me, I'm a big fan of animals.  But that's not an ad and I make nothing for it.  Further, Blogger is free, so I donate my time to the actual community, as it should be.  Much like Warcraft, it's a diversion.

Paypal links, Amazon links, Cafepress, Pay-for Gold Guides, Raffles, etc, wouldn't you say that goes a bit further than donating your time?  Are you doing this for a hobby or an income?  At this point, I would bet you are doing the latter.  Never in the history of Gold Blegging have you ever seen a charitable act.  If you find one, please link it to me.

The next phase is quitting your job or dropping out of school to do it full time, and now we have a problem.  This means within no time you'll be sponging off people and coming up with bizarre schemes to bring in more money at your first opportunity.  Worse, you will exploit your cadre of numbskulls to pay for stupid shit you want.  "Send me to Blizzcon" comes to mind (Elvine and others, seriously).  Asking your readers to give you money to buy software or hardware.  Shameless promotion of your crap will soon invade Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, Blogger, RSS Feeds, Twitch, and even the other blogs.  All while proclaiming "I'm a longstanding upstanding crusader of the community and everyone else just wants to cause drama".

Nev had a wonderful first rant.  I wouldn't call her post a rant, I would call it a precise observation.  There's no reason for her to have any regrets, because I swear she's on my side.  I believe 110% that what I do in the "community" is provide my wit and insight and how to make extreme amounts of gold without spending large amounts of time.  For this, I ask you to maybe consider donating to my favorite charity which I actually contribute to myself in time and cold hard cash.  So I've got a double edged sword here, I promote positive income gold making philosophies for you, and I also want people to be aware that there are doggies and kitties that need loving homes and there are organizations EVERYWHERE that need funds.  I don't require it, and I'm not throwing it in your face, it's in my passion page which few really even open.  Nev promoted breast cancer awareness, and she's pointing out the needs of Richard Harlow, and her site is very much like mine - completely non-monetized because we love doing it for fun.  Even though some of you probably hate me because I call it like I see it and like to throw nukes across the blogosphere, I would expect that you would agree that cats and dogs, breast cancer, and possibly restoring another human being's sight is a far better endeavor to throw your hard earned money at than to throw dollar bills to the panhandlers of the internet.  Am I right?

Everything many of them do from Facebook, Twitter, Twitch, to Reddit and Blogger is dedicated to gathering a flock to follow them.

1) Establish a presence
2) Establish a big following
3) Establish a position of "authority"
4) Encourage others to share your site with friends
5) Link back everything to your site where they can give you cash

What's disgusting to me is that they are laser focused on profiting off the ignorance of others rather than be a part of the community as a whole, while dismissing their critics as trying to beat up on their friendly neighborhood Gold Blegging hobo.  I'm a long-time member of The Consortium, which was started with the mission of being ad-free and non-profit.  It is still non-profit, as the traffic on that site (and Sterling has shown us the bills) is insane.  Everything there is meant to be able to sustain the on-going efforts.  The site however is a real community.  I've never gotten 1 penny for my efforts on the site, nor do I want one.  The others like me don't ask for any compensation, either.  We're sharing our ideas with the community at large because it is fun for us, and we like to see others develop.  Those that assist in the funding of the site get more access to more things, which is a nice tradeoff - the site gets to stay up and they get additional assistance, because without them the site would disappear.  This is a community, and I assure you that after the breakup of JMTC, the people in charge of this site are nowhere near interested in your cash, only promoting the best possible habits and organizing the best possible talent in a family friendly environment that walks a person completely through all of the various processes.

Many of you probably think I'm beating the flux gong again.  Not the case, he's really not the only one I'm talking about, in fact I've seen him as less chaotic evil anymore in comparison to the opportunities that others have explored.  I do like Jim Younkin in one big respect, so a tip of the hat here.  He is far and away better than his competitors for one reason:  He OPENLY tells you he's in it for profit.  He has metatags on the site: Monetization.  This points you to his efforts, and he doesn't cover up the fact he's trying to make money.  He sort of reminds me of the guy of founded Craigslist - peace, love, and always for profit.  While I roasted his ass as the first order of business and STILL disagree with his tactics and that he's trying to profit off the largest playerbase in the world, at least he's not pulling a fast one and it's firmly understood that the tin can is out.  While he went off on some goofy rant against yours truly last month without naming me and while calling himself the better person, we all know that fell on deaf ears, except for his disciples, so don't think I've changed my mind.  I told one of his competitors who was all happy about my roast of him, don't hate the man, hate the tactics, never make it personal.

I know these guys won't clean up their act.  All of them are incorrigible, because once you've tasted the sweet nectar of money off the foolish, it's a really hard addiction to break.  The only answer to it is for people not to pay attention.  And Gold Bleggars, please get a job.  I hold down two, want one?

Jay Wilson's 15 Minutes Live On

I loved this IGN article regarding the hindsight of Diablo 3.  In a nutshell:  Something about the RMAH was not implemented properly, and Blizzard should remove it, but they won't.

I'm going to go more into this later in the week, I wrote something on it but I'm not happy with it.  For the time being, I just felt it was the laugh of the week.

Margin Call - Week of March 24th

I took the week off from actually playing Warcraft, and will probably continue to do so for the time being.  I didn't take the week off from printing gold however.  I spent my week playing around in Diablo 3 of all things.  Friends of mine helped me out, and brought me back up to speed as to what's going on in the game.  I know for a fact however I'll probably never locate an item I can actually use in the game, but I enjoy other facets of the game more.

Sometime here I'm going to review buying in bulk.  I think you guys and gals should know how I do it.  I was afk smashing demons yet still managed to part with 215k in mat purchases.  Honestly, I reinvested a ton into the Sha Crystal market, so don't get too impressed.  I'll probably have that gold back by tomorrow or Wednesday.

It's nice when you have a system in place that completely allows you to spend a few minutes at the AH per day, pull terrific numbers, and go do something else.  This also needs reviewed sometime, too.  Lots of post ideas as I wind it down.

Also, 1 day left on the poll here, if it's not closed already.  At the moment, I'm not surprised by the current results.  Little backstory on this poll - I was chatting with Bart39 (one of the TSM devs) and one thing led to another, and I guess I sort of said, "well we'll see about that".  I'm about to eat my words I think.  Help Bart along and vote in the poll, just to give him something to rib me about later.


  1. It's posts like these that fuel my reason to like you. I love your writing voice!

  2. I've been hanging out and lurking in "The Community" off and on for a couple years now. And you have just summed up quite a lot of the reasons why I haven't become more active. I was one of the ones that bought a paid gold guide way back when, and learned a lot from it. Only to later find the Consortium. Wish I had found them first. I'm sure that any newer paid guides are just ripoffs of what is already out there, just regurgitated in their own words, or at least some of the time their own words....

    It seems that discussions about the gold making have gotten pretty scarce on many of the sites, specially a few that seem to be burning out on WoW but still want the real money revenue.

    I think I will go donate to a puppy somewhere now! (And take a few other blogs off my favorites list.)

    1. Exactly what I'm talking about, and the comments I've heard over the years when you read various forums and the topic turns to gold making.

  3. So what you're advocating is a narrow reactionary illiberal provincial neo-medieval secular morality test accompanied by an Inquisition and witch hunt to purge what you, with your perfect sense of what is right, deem as inappropriate (re: sinful) behavior in others and flying in the face of civilization and enlightened thought, to use law, custom, and social condemnation to artificially create a hell on Earth and complicate the destiny of whomever you deem unclean. No thanks.

    1. I really like the avatar (Michael Douglas as D-Fens, Falling Down), as it represents a person tired of all the BS in the world around him. Ironic that the comment agrees with the BS. I'm not asking to be your new king, I'm asking you to open your eyes to see the world that ambivalence is creating.

    2. To cut through all your crap Contritus, what Zero is asking us to do is call a spade a spade. I personally have never had a problem doing that or with others who do. Mind you I also don't have a problem with not protecting the stupid from their own stupidity either. As I see it, if you're dumb enough to be texting while crossing the road (as an example), you ought to be run over to eliminate any possibility of further polluting the gene pool.

  4. Zero, I really agree with what your getting at.. Jim at power world gold is clearly trying to milk it for all its worth.

    He NEVER has new content its allways hey look I sold some 83-84 items oh hello kitty.. Fuck off jim no one cares...

    1. He's not the only one though, so it's unfair to single him out, hence the reason for a blanket topic. If I called one person out on this topic, I would be validating all the others. I found this out when I called him out the first time, as his competitors were the happiest. Today those people don't like me so much, and I don't really care.

      The point being, I don't want to preach to the choir, I'd hope that the congregation gets the message, too.

  5. Look, I have learned alot from the various gold maker sites.. Elvine, Nev, Jim, Faid, etc. I have never donated anything more than a thanks, and never bought a guide. I'm not sure who would, but it follows the same deal as making gold in game... "a fool and their money are soon parted". I fail to see why this is even remotely objectionable. They can do what they want. For you to think you are the only person that sees that they are out for a buck is beyond arrogant. More power to them.

    I agree that most "ideas" are recycled processes that have been around for ever. I don't care. I got into it selling Gems, fined tuned based on reading various blogs. Added glyphs, now, there is virtually no market i don't touch to some degree or another. All from reading these blogs and never feeling any pressure to buy or donate. I see the's my decision to not click it.

    But to say they are less a part of the "community" because they don't do it your way is a bit silly.

    I agree with your view in so much as asking for donations and selling guides is equally silly.

  6. I wouldn't call me arrogant, as I'm not the only person seeing they are out for a buck, I'm merely the messenger. They have every right to put their hand out, it's a free internet. I'm not against the free market. The question really is: Is this what you would call a community? Also, Nev and Faid are both hobbyists.

    Obviously this fell on deaf ears here or it wasn't read entirely as to why it's objectionable. Without rehashing what I wrote above, they've distanced themselves from what was the actual community. The actual gold making community isn't about scoring some chump change off people for rehashed tactics and handholding, it's always been more about helping their fellow gamer without the offering plate. The word "community" is a misnomer anyhow when talking about this incarnation. I live in a community, when my neighbor comes over to borrow my weed whacker, I'm not putting my hand out, except when they return it without fuel.

    If you believe donations and selling guides are silly, why did you support them to begin with by watching? Why not change the channel? A very interesting mentality, I'd love to know more, and possibly dedicate a post to it. I'm resistant to ads myself (probably because I've spent a career in sales and can recognize BS faster than most), but I really doubt the flock are.

    Either way, thanks for the positive discourse.

  7. I'm gonna add a penny here, only a small comment but one that I hope some of the comment authors read.

    You don't have to Dislike a person, or be against them, to dislike there tactics/methods/actions.

    To voice (pen/type) your opinions against something does not mean you are actively trying to enforce it upon people, but simply trying to state and share you views.

  8. Oh and just to point out about bloggers doing stuff for Charity

    A- Nev did a Fund raiser for cancer -

    and B- Elvine did 2 24 Hour Streams for a childrens charity

    1. Both are good examples. This is needed to make a community. Communities help one another, remember this.

  9. I think it's all about honesty in the real world, I'll try to explain my point of view.
    When we buy a rare companion from a noob for few hundreds of gold and resell it for more than 30K we're acting in bad faith, but in game and withouth any real money loss for him.

    When they write an hundred of pages full of tips and strategies available for free elsewhere they are making an useful compendium of public domain informaton. If they are selling it for gold it's like the companion example: a smart and dishonest character cheats an unsophisticated one. It could be a role playing way to make dirty golds.
    If there's a real money gain it's a fraud of a dishonest person.

    In my opinion the real money is the discriminating factor.

    The donate issue is all about dignity: if you are begging for something that's not strictly necessary for your survival you have no self-respect.

    Bleggars begging for a free trip, hardware, web hosting and paytime are dishonest and/or wretched human beings.

    1. Some typos, can't edit. Sorry.

    2. That's a pretty good word there, dignity.

    3. Here in Italy - more than in other Countries - we are having a hard time and I confess that these easy ways to make money are very tempting, gold selling too (I evaluated montly gains around 300/400 euros); but it's better to plan a more solid foundation to exit from this hardship and above all we have to keep ourservelves just.

  10. Funny enough you never actually came to mind when I was writing the post you mentioned. The fact that you are so far down on the list of people that that article could pertain to says a lot about how things look from my perspective.

    I don't pay close very attention (I just found this post on Phat's blogroll and didn't even know I was mentioned) but to see, if even just a tidbit here and a whiff there, the swirls of negativity that were once pointed in my direction (again, not from you) now pointed at each other and others just makes me a bit sad.

    That said, I'm somewhat of an eternal optimist so for me the future always looks bright.

    1. At least you are the only one that comes around to try to refute anything. Stand up guy, although misguided.

      Waiting on the others. In the meantime, it's important that everyone understands that I don't delete comments from these people. I'm happy they take the time away from their streams and virtual streetcorners to at least defend their views.


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